Have you ever considered becoming a ghost writer? Are you trying to write your story, but find yourself stuck and are wondering if hiring a ghost writer might be the best idea for you? Today I talk with JB Favour about the ins and outs of ghostwriting. This is an episode if you want to find out how to be a ghostwriter, what it requires of you and how to get started. And this episode is also for anyone with a story who doesn’t want to write it themselves.
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Kat
All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome back to Pencils & Lipstick. Today I have with me JB Favour. Hi, JB. How are you doing?
JB
Hi, Kat. I’m doing great. Thank you. How are you doing?
Kat
Good, good. I’m so excited to talk to you. So we have a friend in common, Stacey Juba, an internet friend. But before we get into it, could you just introduce yourself to the listeners? Tell us where you’re from and a little bit about who you are.
JB
Okay. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Pencils & Lipstick podcast. My name is JB Favour and I am a ghostwriter and a poet as well. So I have the technical skills that help me write the stories.
Kat
Oh, that’s amazing. I’m really excited to talk to you about ghostwriting. I think that it’s an incredible skill. So what exactly got you into ghostwriting in the first place? What about writing in general, I guess?
JB
Okay. About writing in general, I’ve always liked. That’s the best thing. I’ve always loved to write, actually. When I was little, I used to have this journal, I still have my journal, I used to call it my sad journal. I just like to put my sad thoughts. If I was having a bad day, I had this little note, I just put in there, oh, someone made me upset today. This is interesting. I just scripple it in there. It often bonded very well with poetry. The next thing automatically would be to write a poem about the feeling or emotion that I was feeling at the time. I just knew that I like to write. And if people saw the stuff that I wrote, not the Journal of Gospel, my poems, they would tell me, This is really good. This is good. And having a very imaginative mind, I’m always scribbling stuff that looked like scripts back in the day. And I just write a little short story and pass it out for my science. And my teacher would be like, this is a really good story. Where did you copy it from? I’m like, no, it’s from my head. So that was how I knew that I could do a good job with writing. And it was just something that I could do effortlessly. But it was not too long time that I eventually learned that people could pay you to write. I had no idea.
Kat
I think this happened. This is like cross cultural. I can write, but I better go get a different job. So many of us think that we can’t be paid. So then did you go on to do something else before you got into ghostwriting?
JB
Yeah, exactly. So I’m African, Nigerian especially, and you cannot be a Nigerian child, telling your parents that you want to be a writer. What is that? Well, go write out your spare time. You can’t be a writer in my house. So that doesn’t happen here. So what I did was I did like every kid going to school. I studied medical laboratory sciences, and that’s the field that I actually was in because… just go be a doctor. One of the prestigious things you could ever become as an African child and the culture back home. That’s what I studied. But it was during the COVID actually, then I decided that I wasn’t going to practice my field anymore. I was already writing before that time, but I was trying to combine it. Still get the job, but COVID I’m like, no, hands down, stop everything. I’ve been wasting my time. This is not something I’m passionate about. I want to do stuff that I’m passionate about. Let’s chase it.
Kat
Yeah. And I think the world has changed so much, right? So our parents… I mean, you’re younger than me, but probably they didn’t grow up with the Internet. My parents didn’t grow up with the Internet. I barely grew up with the Internet. So jobs have changed. The possibility of running a business online, like you and I, we were just talking, we’re talking across the ocean. That’s amazing. So it’s almost like a possibility that our parents didn’t think was possible. Why would they think that?
JB
Sure. And I don’t blame them.
Kat
Right. No, dad, at some point I will get clients in Australia and it’ll be fine. I’d be like, you’re crazy. That’s not going to happen. So you went through all the medical training. So you are trained. You’re like, no, we’re done, during COVID, you want to just go full on writing.
JB
Actually, I just got the basic educational degree. I didn’t practice because I was supposed to go for a year internship, all that practice. But I quit. So I didn’t go for that. It’s more like I just get the degree, put it in my bag and I’m done. That’s what I did.
Kat
If you ever have to fall back on it. I mean, COVID changed a lot. It’s a big deal. We’re three years out and maybe we can keep moving forward, but it was a big deal. We need to not forget. Shutting down was big. So you were writing before that, though. Were you writing your own poetry? Were you doing your things or were you already ghostwriting while studying and working?
JB
I was already writing. But it was after the COVID time that I actually took it more like a career. I was already ghostwriting, but I was writing the work and all the things because I wasn’t really sure that I could balance because there’s a thing, there’s an inside joke that we artists have that authors are not really rich people. I was there in the writing world and I was seeing that there’s not so much money and we have bills to pay. So it’s like, do it, be broke, don’t do it, and have something to fall back on. But it was COVID that taught me because when COVID came, the job was real dull. I couldn’t really work. And I realized that I had been holding myself back because since I was trying to juggle so many things at once, it was also during the time till I had a show, I was host of people… And because I was juggling different things at the same time, I couldn’t focus on one because it’s a career. People think you can’t really make that in a career, but I disagree. You can make it a full-time career. In fact, it’s a whole big career. It’s a whole lot of work. Because I was divided, I couldn’t give her the attention that I needed. It wasn’t growing the way it was supposed to grow. I was getting clients, I was doing some pre-lessons, but it wasn’t enough. I didn’t even know that there was a lot more to just being a ghostwriter. You have to actually make people know that you are a ghostwriter. That involves some serious marketing. I wasn’t doing that because my time was divided. But when COVID came, I realized that the whole thing that I was worrying about was gone. COVID took it all. And you’re not able to come back on this writing. So I realized that I could actually live without those jobs. I could live without all these things that provided attention and just do my thing. I just did that.
Kat
Right. That’s an amazing, like, epiphany, though, to be like, oh, what I thought I was falling back on, actually, I’m falling back on my writing. Like, what a reversal there to be like, oh, when you take that away because no one would have ever before COVID thought, right, that they would actually take away the medical. The world would take that one away. So I think that’s true, though, like with any writing or any business, if you’re divided, like in your focus, it’s hard to really have it grow, right? Yeah. So you were already ghostwriting. How did you start out ghostwriting? How did you decide that that was something you wanted to pursue?
JB
Okay. So because I’ve been writing in life and doing poetry for a while, I already had the skills, which is very number one thing you need to have if you didn’t want to consider becoming a ghost writer. But it wasn’t until later when somebody tagged me to a post to get my work done, I used to put out this poetry. I graduated from just writing it in my journals to actually put it out on social media. I just create this little key template and then write some of my forms on it and put it on Instagram, put it on Facebook, and people were like, oh, I love this form. It touches me in this aspect or the other aspect. And people were just like sharing it. Sometimes it was getting some attention. I’d say, well, I read this. I could write this for you. Just sub-advertising what I was doing. But I didn’t know I could get paid though. So someone, a friend, she saw… She had been seeing my forms and all of the stuff that I’ve been putting out. And she saw somewhere that somebody, a coach, mentioned that she was taking in students. She wanted to take in students. But these people have to already be writing. So she’s going to do a paid test. And if you pass that paid test, if you pass the test, then you get to be a part of a team. Now, the good thing is because you’re already writing, she’s not going to be teaching you how to do it. She’s just going to be teaching you how to monetize the skill, how to scout and get peaks. This person that saw it, she tagged me to the post. I went there, I saw it. She’s just looking for a team. Okay, maybe I just applied. I applied, I sent my application in. She said, here’s a prompt, write the story off this prompt and send it over. You’ve got two days. I’m like, I don’t need two days. This is the stuff I do for free. I just put straight up. I didn’t really take it seriously. It’s just something you don’t even know that it could be a career career. So I just wanted it. And I got an email a few days after that. She said, I really love to prompt. It was so good. I’d love to have you on my team, fill in the details below and all of that. I became a part of a team, and it was she who actually showed me how to monetize, ghostwrite, to actually take it as a career. It wasn’t that she was teaching me how to write, but she was now showing me how to pitch, how to lead, and get the clients that I wanted and how to present myself as a ghost writer in a practical sense because she was giving us jobs. She had a job. She was a middle man in the industry. She was getting jobs and she just did a whole job, like 10 projects. She’s going to delegate and say, oh, you write this one. This other person is just going to guide us to do it. I was learning on the job. That was the most practical class I ever had. And that was when I learned that it’s better to learn practically than have somebody just tell you a bunch of courses to read or watch. It’s better for them to give you the job and have you learn from the job. That’s what I thought. She was amazing. She’s there. She’s my angel.
Kat
Wow. That’s really cool because I can imagine, even if you know how to write and it sounds like you write really well, was ghostwriting a skill that you needed to learn? Were there still things about ghost writing in particular? Well, tell us, first of all, for anyone who doesn’t know, what is ghostwriting? What is your job as a ghost writer?
JB
I guess it’s so simply put, a ghostwriter is a person who gets paid to write anonymously for another person. So like the word ghost, you’re not getting the credits. The person who you’re writing for is going to be known as the author. So this person is buying off your expertise, your skill, in crafting or producing that manuscript. You’re not going to do the owner of it.
Kat
Okay. And is it usually nonfiction? It’s usually their story, like a memoir or nonfiction? Or could it be fiction as well?
JB
You can ghostwrite literally anything. People ghostwrite speeches. I’m talking big time speeches. We have celebrity age ghostwriters that ghostwrite even speeches. Don’t want to be too loud. Some of the speeches that you see on the news, a ghostwriter wrote that.
Kat
Wow. Oh, my gosh. You’re blowing the tops off the industry here. I assume most celebrity books are probably ghostwritten, right? I can’t believe that a celebrity would have that. I mean, writing is a skill, right? You can’t be everything. You can’t be a singer and a writer. I mean, I guess you could, but it’s a low chance.
JB
Especially if you’re really big in your field, there’s no time. Your schedule is really packed. You need time to write a book.
Kat
Yeah. And you need it written well. You don’t have time to have a published book that’s no good. You need to you need someone to do it. So because you’re the person behind the scenes, like writing, what is it that you had to learn? Or was there anything different about writing what you had already been writing, poetry and different other things for people and actually ghostwriting a book? Was there anything different that you had to learn?
JB
Yes. Especially when I decided that I was going to make memoir, write a nonfiction, writing my thoughts. So I ghostwrite, I do some top of the romance tree list stuff and all of that. But when you’re writing a nonfiction book, like a memoir or an autobiography, that’s when you know if you really are a writer. Because fiction book with a romance novel or thriller novel, whatever, those numbers, all you have to do is just spin them ideas. You can spin like 10 different ideas and have the client look at it and be like, Which one do you like? I can spin it some more. That’s not your story, man. That’s nobody’s story. You just thinking it up. And if you have a strong, imaginative mind, that’s easy. That’s not even a piece of work for you. But the real work is writing another person’s story for them. So, for example, if I’m to write your story, I’m a black woman, I’m African with my experiences somewhat limited to my person, my environment, and my culture. And we have not experienced similar things. So if I have to write your book, I have to become you so that when you look at the book, it doesn’t feel like a black girl somewhere in Africa or anywhere else. It has to feel like you wrote it. You, white woman in DC, her name is Kat. She’s a podcaster, maybe has pets. It has to feel like you. And to do that, you need more than just writing skill. You need to support yourself into another person’s body. It’s a crazy process, but that’s what I like to call transporting yourself to another person’s body. And if you want, I could talk a little bit about what that was.
Kat
Yeah. How much do you get to know the client? How do you do that? How do you know them enough? Because I grew up on a farm in Wisconsin. We might have something, I don’t know. You have different ages, you have different cultures, you have different… I mean, you’ve helped write for men as well. You have different sexes. How did you learn that?
JB
Okay. I have my own process. I don’t know what works for other girls writers, but for me, the first thing is becoming friends with these people. So first of all, either I’m pitching to the clients that I’m proposing to write for them, or they’re actually talking to me and proposing that I write for them. In a way, I have to hear your story first of all. Just like a brief overview, I need to know what story that you’re writing, and I have to be interested in your story. I have had to turn down some stories because I didn’t feel that I could do it. Not that I could have write it. I could write it for you, but I needed the story to speak to me and it wasn’t speaking to me. That’s one thing I want. It has to have a connection with me. When I hear you, do I feel like I want to tell that story that you’re telling me? If I feel like, man, I want to write this book. This is an interesting story, then that’s the first step. So the next step is getting to know this individual. Before we even talk about exchanging materials, I need to even know how you think as a person. I always talk to my clients in video. First of all, we talk. I can see your mannerisms. I’m talking to you now. I can see your face. I know the way you’re not. When you like something, I see how you smile. If something is getting to you, I can see the way your eyes light up if you’re intrigued. Now, my job is to observe these mannerisms, these emotions. And then also when you’re writing for someone, you have to capture the voice, a certain way that they talk. And that is it. You can reflect that. So if I talk with you a bit more after now, I’ll be able to tell if you are the person to use contractions in your sentences. For example, there are some people who don’t say want to. They want to say, I want it. They would say, I want to eat. You don’t want to write a book for someone, for example, I’m saying want to. So if you want to write for me, you know, want to, going to, sugar is my thing.
JB
If you write for someone who says, I want to, I don’t want to, I’d like to, and doesn’t use these mannerisms. If I write and say, I want to, it’s going to look alien to them because they don’t sound that way.
Kat
Right. Yes. So was that something that you learned with your mentor, just becoming part of that person? But you must be very good at languages and cadence as well to just be able to pick up on that.
JB
I think so. I think so. No, this was something I had to learn on my own. My mentor, she didn’t teach me how to make this money or anything. She just taught me how to monetize, how to figure out where to find good paying clients and position yourself properly. So it’s more like she gave me the net and all the equipment that I could use to fish. It was my job to go out there and do the digging all the searching properly.
Kat
Well, I can tell that you’re very passionate about it because if you really want to write the book well, you have to, like you said, you have to write it in their voice as though you are inside their body. So you have to be passionate about that. Like you said, you might have to turn some books down if it doesn’t inspire something in you. But you must also just have a ability to observe. Maybe that’s the poetry in you where you can just observe people. I know poets. I’ve interviewed a couple. You guys just have a certain way of looking at the world as a poet. Yes. I think it must like pull people’s stories as well, because I know… I’ve worked with clients and with memoir clients. I don’t write it, but I mentor them through it. And I don’t know if you’ve come up against this, but sometimes when it’s their story, they think they want to tell the story, but actually as they get into it, it’s very difficult. They have to get deeper, and I would assume so you can get deeper. What is that like when you’re working with someone? How do you get long might it take to actually get to the heart of the story? Because sometimes a person might think a memoir is just like, this happened, this happened, this happened. But really a memoir is like, how was it for you? We want that human experience, right? And that means getting deep.
JB
Okay. So because I have been doing a lot of memoirs and autobiography work, it has often meant that I have been dealing with a lot of traumatizing experiences.
Kat
Oh, right.
JB
To be honest, 98% of the people I’ve worked with all have a brutal story to talk about. Something has left them damaged and completely, utterly damaged. This is them trying to get closure. So, for example, if you’re writing a book for someone who has had to deal with abuse, that’s a sensitive topic for them. They need to even be comfortable. They need to trust you to come out. It’s like they be back and you asking them, Oh, come out. Come out naked. Just come out. And that’s a lot of asking. That’s a lot. They need to feel they should feel your trust. So before you ask them to come out, you best lay the ground for them. So when they come out, they don’t feel cold outside. There’s something waiting to envelop them. So that is the trust. I like to tell them, Think of me as your friend. This is the process. You and me were healing together. Sometimes when they tell me their stories, before we even start writing, it’s always a moment of just two people opening up. This is a story that I can relate to, I tell them, I feel you. I let them know that I am utterly sympathetic to them. Sometimes this story is going to make me cry. It’s often the case of, oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. You want me to tell you something like that. And they’re like, Oh, no, right? And we’re just putting out ourselves there. This story is utterly painful story to make a stranger like me cry. And I’m listening to it all. I don’t even know if I could tell my story if I was you. You are so brave. And listen, I will help you. I will help you. We’re going to do this together. And someone listening to this is enough to tell them, Maybe I can trust this person. Maybe we could do this. And so they’re willing to take the step little by little. And I try my best to include that emotion in the book because it’s a big deal for them to tell you this. It’s something you should handle like a fragile object. Be careful with these emotions and tell it that way. Don’t really try to put your own emotion. Just tell it the way they gave it to you. They gave you something, put it back to them that same way. So I just express it there. And when I show them the first sample or the first draft, they’re often motivated to come out, because now they’re like…
Kat
Right. Okay.
JB
This feels like a welcome invitation to step out and tell you more. And that’s how it comes out.
Kat
Wow. That’s very cool. I think that’s very cool that you are able to do that. It takes a certain personality to be able to listen to that many different stories. There’s so many stories of trauma in the world and to be able to pull it together and put it into a book for them. And that’s very cool. That’s very amazing. I’m very impressed.
JB
I think the key is listen, not like an author. I tell my friends that, listen, not like an author or ghostwriter. Just listen like a human being. Because if you have someone talk to you and you’re interested in how you’re going to ghostwrite this, you’re going to miss out on the emotions that they’re sharing with you. But if you just drop all that post writing thing in your head, just talk back. They’re talking to a human being. You’re not some robot. Sit down and listen to this person talk, just like a friend to you, then only then will you be able to get the right emotion that you translate in your voice. So after you’ve listened, you can now think about what to do with these emotions that they’ve given to you. It works all the time.
Kat
Yeah, I think that’s amazing. So you started ghostwriting before COVID, but then you really got into it. Ghostwriting is your business now, but you also do a couple of other things. Is ghostwriting the main part of your business, or is it just the part and the other things that share together?
JB
Okay. So I’ve been ghostwriting for five years now, four or five years now, give or take. So ghostwriting is something that I am super passionate about. It’s me. It’s stuff that I like to do. I like stories. You give me a story and you’ve given me… It’s like you’ve given me food and I just like to tell it. Maybe it’s because I’ve been telling stories of people being traumatized in situations. So for me, it feels like I’m putting my part in a better place because these people, when we’re gone, they’re like, They have no idea what this means to me. And I can tell because they are. It’s like the closure for them. And it’s like I’m healing myself, too, because I’m broken as well. And these stories, they have no idea, but they inspire me to want to be a better person. So ghost writing is something that I’m passionate about. But currently, after COVID, I decided to create an agency. So that’s like the business side of me. But it’s separate from ghostwriting. I am a ghostwriter, but I have a company that I run when I’m not ghostwriting. It’s a content and branding agency.
Kat
Called Favespen.
JB
Okay. Yeah. So I have a tool there, but I like supervise and that’s stuff that I also like to do. Branding involves telling stories as well. I get to use that skill in there to help.
Kat
Yeah, it’s true. There are so many ways to tell a story in this world, right? Visually and written as well. And do you teach people to become ghostwriters, or will that be part of you at some point, or do you just want to keep the ghostwriting separate, just you?
JB
Oh, I coach people. I coach people to become ghost writers as well.
Kat
So what does that look like for somebody who thinks that they’re good at writing or they know the basics, I guess, about writing? If they come to you and they think, This sounds cool to be able to help somebody bring a story into the world and be the writer behind it. What does that look like to be trained as a ghostwriter?
JB
Basically, like you said, you must have some skill. You must be a writer. I’m not teaching somebody how to write. That’s a whole lot. I don’t think I can do that. Teaching someone how to write. That’s basically like teaching someone English. I don’t know if I did that. You have to have to be a writer, have some written work, maybe even some published stuff, not compulsory. But at least I have to see that you love to write because eventually you might even get good money, get paid and all. But as you go on, you will discover that there’s a lot more to it, those writing than just having the money. Because after the excitement of the first cash, sexy, and it expires, then there’s the work to do. You need to actually love it to want to finish it. If not, it’s going to be a struggle to finish the book after you’ve got the money. I tell you this from experience. That’s why I don’t make a story that I don’t like because after the money comes in, why do I even have to do this? I’m invested in it. It’s not a big deal.
Kat
Yeah, I can imagine. It’s like anything in business, right? We hone up where we want to have the niche. You said you could probably write many, many things, but what makes you so passionate is the memoir. So what does a day look like for you when you found a story that you want to write for a ghostwriter? Do you guys have timelines, like a deadline? How does that work out just like the business wise, just so that people understand that it’s not like, oh, I get money and I write a story. Take the romance down a little bit on this.
JB
Okay. So basically it depends on what I’m writing on. So if I’m talking about something that involves me to do research, which most of my jobs involve this.
Kat
Oh, I hadn’t thought of that. So it’s talking to the person but also researching.
JB
Let me use an example. One of my last projects, I had to write about someone who was in a coma for almost a year, I think. I don’t know anybody who’s been in a coma. I had to research the situations that could lead to a coma. And eventually, how long… Because we had to get it right because you have no idea if a doctor is going to be reading that book and they’re going to say, this is wrong. This is incorrect. So I had to make my research to know how long someone who was in this condition can stay in coma. What are the do’s and don’ts for patients in a coma? Because the character has family members around. We don’t want the family members doing stuff that they shouldn’t be doing. Exactly. Then I had to also research what the effects of surviving a coma can have on a patient. So I’m not over exaggerating. While I’m working with the storyline, I want to keep the fact in line as well. So I had to read up on that. I even had to make a call to a doctor that he specializes in neurosurgery and a couple of other things. But he was in the spine and neurosurgery department because the character that we was writing for lost the ability to control his legs and all. I wanted to control of the stuff that was going to be writing. So I reached out to this doctor and even just ask her a couple of questions about our potential character. What’s it looking like for someone who had a coma, who had seizures, like heavy seizures for a long time? What’s it like for this person? Just ask these questions. I use that to impute in the story that I’m writing. I’ve never experienced it. And then I also ask people who have had to deal with people who they have relatives or friends who are in a coma. What was it like caring for these people? How did you feel? What are the challenges? So I could have my characters experience them because I cannot relate to it. And it was a memoir, but it was like a fiction style memory. So I wasn’t even having the potential client’s emotions to count on me because the client does not have that emotion.
Kat
Was in a coma. Wow.
JB
Good. So I had to get these emotions from elsewhere and I even had to watch a movie. I watched the movie on Netflix. It’s Me Before You. Really sad story.
Kat
Yes, it is.
JB
You know it?
Kat
Yes.
JB
Great. Great. Great. Great.
Kat
The tissue, get your tissue back.
JB
I had already watched the movie a while ago, but this project made me go back to rewatch it because the guy was in the wheelchair as well… We wanted it to be sad because the character would have to leave his family untimely, write a sad note and all. Don’t try to make me better. Don’t give me an oxygen, just like the guy in the movie did. So I needed to have that emotion again so I could put it into both.
Kat
Yeah. So it’s not just write. You can’t just be good at writing. You have to be willing and good at research and getting the emotions of the other people and getting the things that are happening around them, whatever that might be. So you have to be good at research then. We didn’t hear your answer to that. So that’s part of the job, really.
JB
It is, absolutely.S
Kat
o where would you tell somebody to start if they wanted to pursue ghost writing?
JB
I’m going to say if you haven’t done it before, if you haven’t ever gone through the field of ghostwriting before. One of the things that you have to do, first of all, is to hone your communication skill because you need to have a great deal of communication to be able to get an emotion from a client and translate it into your own but without losing the person’s voice. You might need to have a coach because there are people who can tell you absolutely have to talk. And two, people often forget that there are courses available. You could take classes, you could take courses. If you don’t want to have a coach, this is important because there’s a lot that you cannot learn on your own. You might be good at writing, but you need assistance. And talk to other ghostwriters. Feel free to ask somebody questions. I survived this far because I ask questions. I don’t know stuff, I asked somebody. I don’t know this, I asked Stacy, our friend before we came here. I’m like, do you know any podcast I could come on? She told me about you. And if I didn’t ask, I wouldn’t know, I wouldn’t meet you.
JB
So ask questions if you’re starting out. And that’s the easiest way you can ask Google to… I ask literally everything. You have to read up and read books, too. There are some guide books and books that help you with your writing. I can’t remember their names now, but there are a lot of books that there is to guide you and these different experience writers. Read these books, they could also help you as well.
Kat
Okay, very cool. So if somebody is looking to possibly… Maybe somebody’s thought they were going to write their book, but now they’re thinking, oh, maybe I could just get it ghostwritten because it’s still their story out in the world. Where can people find you both online, social media and your website?
JB
Okay. So I’m very active on LinkedIn. Okay. It’s a space to get me, just JB Favour. I think I’m the only JB Favour on LinkedIn. Sorry, I was just talking about you.
Kat
Wow. Good for you, man.
JB
If that even possible? I think that’s like a million of us. But I’m JB Favour with a capital letter, all three of all caps, Jb Favour. And I’m very active on LinkedIn and on Twitter. I’m also active there as JB Favour. Basically all my handles are @JBFavour. If you do Google search, I have an optimized profile on Google, so you could just do a big JB Favour search of Google and you’d find literally everywhere you could contact me with. And my website is on Journal Portfolio. It is jbfavour@journalportfolio.com. It’s like a website portfolio you can reach out to me there.
Kat
Awesome. We will also have the links in the show notes. But if somebody’s driving or whatever, they can get your links there. But yeah, JB Favour is very easy across the board. You can find her if you are looking to possibly be a ghostwriter. You can ask questions as JB encourages you to do. And if you’re thinking about maybe writing your book is too much and you just need somebody to help you with it and maybe ghostwrite it for you, I encourage you to reach out to JB. Thank you so much, JB, for coming on the show and across the waters. I hope to have you on again soon sometime.
JB
All right. Thank you. I think this was a really fun episode. I love talking to you. It was really cool.
Kat
Thank you.
JB
Thank you.